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	<title>Comments on: The 4-Hour Work Week, by Timothy Ferriss</title>
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		<title>By: Christy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 19:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having actually met Tim (we gave talks together, then saw him at Foo camp) I can attest that while he&#039;s self-assured to the point of arrogance, he&#039;s not a jackass.  

Part of his schtick depends on that arrogance- who would believe you if you &lt;i&gt;weren&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; sure of yourself - and that&#039;s the hard thing for most people to mimic.  You can&#039;t manufacture charisma.  He&#039;s a reasonably attractive fellow in a &quot;short clean-cut white boy&quot; sort of way, but does that bit where he&#039;s loud enough and sure enough of himself to make him seem bigger.  I found it a bit off-putting, actually, since he seemed to be performing all the time; this may have been exacerbated by my gender, as he appears to do the conscious &quot;look at me, I&#039;m charming&quot; thing to women.  All women.

Anyway, back to the premise of the book.
Automating our earnings is a good thing. Whether this gets translated into owning a business that requires minimal/no input or investments in the stock market, you want your money to be working for you while you sleep.  This is solid basic investment theory.  Hourly wages are a good base, but can&#039;t change your situation by orders of magnitude like a good investment can.
However, as you&#039;ve noted, he&#039;s gaming the system.  There are limited slots available for this tactic; the whole world can&#039;t do it.  (Sort of like my caveman diet.)  Not to say that those who can shouldn&#039;t, but it&#039;s not, and will never be a solution for more than a tiny number of people.

That said, the number of people who can figure out what they would do with that free time and actually &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; it is even lower than the number of people who can carry it off, so the numbers will always stay low.  It&#039;s primarily an abstract aspirational concept, used to drive more $$ for Tim&#039;s extensive vacations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having actually met Tim (we gave talks together, then saw him at Foo camp) I can attest that while he&#8217;s self-assured to the point of arrogance, he&#8217;s not a jackass.  </p>
<p>Part of his schtick depends on that arrogance- who would believe you if you <i>weren&#8217;t</i> sure of yourself &#8211; and that&#8217;s the hard thing for most people to mimic.  You can&#8217;t manufacture charisma.  He&#8217;s a reasonably attractive fellow in a &#8220;short clean-cut white boy&#8221; sort of way, but does that bit where he&#8217;s loud enough and sure enough of himself to make him seem bigger.  I found it a bit off-putting, actually, since he seemed to be performing all the time; this may have been exacerbated by my gender, as he appears to do the conscious &#8220;look at me, I&#8217;m charming&#8221; thing to women.  All women.</p>
<p>Anyway, back to the premise of the book.<br />
Automating our earnings is a good thing. Whether this gets translated into owning a business that requires minimal/no input or investments in the stock market, you want your money to be working for you while you sleep.  This is solid basic investment theory.  Hourly wages are a good base, but can&#8217;t change your situation by orders of magnitude like a good investment can.<br />
However, as you&#8217;ve noted, he&#8217;s gaming the system.  There are limited slots available for this tactic; the whole world can&#8217;t do it.  (Sort of like my caveman diet.)  Not to say that those who can shouldn&#8217;t, but it&#8217;s not, and will never be a solution for more than a tiny number of people.</p>
<p>That said, the number of people who can figure out what they would do with that free time and actually <i>do</i> it is even lower than the number of people who can carry it off, so the numbers will always stay low.  It&#8217;s primarily an abstract aspirational concept, used to drive more $$ for Tim&#8217;s extensive vacations.</p>
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		<title>By: Wes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 15:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few points.

First, I already didn&#039;t like Tim Ferriss before I read his book, for pretty much the reasons you folks list.  

However, after reading it, I decided that I&#039;m not mad at him; I&#039;m mad at the world for allowing his strategies to work.  Not his fault that he&#039;s taking advantage of a system I don&#039;t like in ways that work for him.

Re: &quot;middleman&quot;: middlemen add value, period full stop.  If you get me something I couldn&#039;t or wouldn&#039;t have gotten without you, then you earned your cut.  That&#039;s his game.

Re: expertise: for what it&#039;s worth, I am the world expert on teaching vocal percussion (which is as fun to say as it is blatantly true).  My instructional DVDs turn out to have been the best return on time investment I&#039;ve ever made.  Then again, the market was definitely there (something Ferriss recommends you research a lot more thoroughly than I did... lucky me).

Is Ferriss a jackass?  Don&#039;t know.  Never met him.  

But does following his advice make you a jackass?  Ay, there&#039;s the rub.  I don&#039;t have the answer.  Not yet, anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few points.</p>
<p>First, I already didn&#8217;t like Tim Ferriss before I read his book, for pretty much the reasons you folks list.  </p>
<p>However, after reading it, I decided that I&#8217;m not mad at him; I&#8217;m mad at the world for allowing his strategies to work.  Not his fault that he&#8217;s taking advantage of a system I don&#8217;t like in ways that work for him.</p>
<p>Re: &#8220;middleman&#8221;: middlemen add value, period full stop.  If you get me something I couldn&#8217;t or wouldn&#8217;t have gotten without you, then you earned your cut.  That&#8217;s his game.</p>
<p>Re: expertise: for what it&#8217;s worth, I am the world expert on teaching vocal percussion (which is as fun to say as it is blatantly true).  My instructional DVDs turn out to have been the best return on time investment I&#8217;ve ever made.  Then again, the market was definitely there (something Ferriss recommends you research a lot more thoroughly than I did&#8230; lucky me).</p>
<p>Is Ferriss a jackass?  Don&#8217;t know.  Never met him.  </p>
<p>But does following his advice make you a jackass?  Ay, there&#8217;s the rub.  I don&#8217;t have the answer.  Not yet, anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 14:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One other note about your colleagues - it sounds like they were taking the &quot;Field of Dreams&quot; marketing approach of &quot;If we make it, they&#039;ll buy it.&quot;  Figuring out how you will reach your target audience and convince them that you have a solution for their problems is why marketing departments exist.  It&#039;s hard work, and something that geeks do very poorly.  I may be influenced by the fact that I&#039;m currently taking a marketing class, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One other note about your colleagues &#8211; it sounds like they were taking the &#8220;Field of Dreams&#8221; marketing approach of &#8220;If we make it, they&#8217;ll buy it.&#8221;  Figuring out how you will reach your target audience and convince them that you have a solution for their problems is why marketing departments exist.  It&#8217;s hard work, and something that geeks do very poorly.  I may be influenced by the fact that I&#8217;m currently taking a marketing class, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 14:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, this could be an example of &lt;a href=http://www.nehrlich.com/blog/2007/02/24/nonfiction-roundup-february-2007/ rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Fooled by Randomness&lt;/a&gt; - there may be no causal relationship between Ferriss&#039;s proposed strategies and his success.  He may have just gotten lucky, but is ascribing his success to his skill rather than to the confluence factors.  Shades of &lt;a href=http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/15/magazine/15wwlnidealab.t.html?_r=1&amp;oref=slogin rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Duncan Watts&#039;s study involving Justin Timberlake&lt;/a&gt;, which showed that identical baselines (music in that study&#039;s case) led to different results when they re-ran the study.

As far as retiring and going mobile, I haven&#039;t found any specific resources about that, but I&#039;m pretty sure you know the answer.  Figure out what your expenses would be in that lifestyle so you have an investment income target, and reduce your expenses now so that you can save and increase your investments until they generate the income you need to retire.  This can be helped on both ends by being willing to accept a less opulent lifestyle both now and later.  I mean, if you go truly mobile, and don&#039;t have to pay rent/mortgage, I bet you could live comfortably on, what, $12k a year?  Save up $240k, stick it in a high-interest CD at 5%, and you&#039;re done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, this could be an example of <a href=http://www.nehrlich.com/blog/2007/02/24/nonfiction-roundup-february-2007/ rel="nofollow">Fooled by Randomness</a> &#8211; there may be no causal relationship between Ferriss&#8217;s proposed strategies and his success.  He may have just gotten lucky, but is ascribing his success to his skill rather than to the confluence factors.  Shades of <a href=http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/15/magazine/15wwlnidealab.t.html?_r=1&#038;oref=slogin rel="nofollow">Duncan Watts&#8217;s study involving Justin Timberlake</a>, which showed that identical baselines (music in that study&#8217;s case) led to different results when they re-ran the study.</p>
<p>As far as retiring and going mobile, I haven&#8217;t found any specific resources about that, but I&#8217;m pretty sure you know the answer.  Figure out what your expenses would be in that lifestyle so you have an investment income target, and reduce your expenses now so that you can save and increase your investments until they generate the income you need to retire.  This can be helped on both ends by being willing to accept a less opulent lifestyle both now and later.  I mean, if you go truly mobile, and don&#8217;t have to pay rent/mortgage, I bet you could live comfortably on, what, $12k a year?  Save up $240k, stick it in a high-interest CD at 5%, and you&#8217;re done.</p>
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		<title>By: Bats</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bats</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 13:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I read a review of this book somewhere (NYT or Atlantic, I guess), and they pointed out the many confluences that enabled the author to do this--the way his field was set up, etc.  Their point was, &quot;Well, not sure that the rest of us will ever be in the position to do this, ourselves.&quot;

But the point I wanted to talk about was, &quot;He recommends selling things like training CDs or DVDs in an area where you are perceived as an expert (see below for how to achieve that).&quot;  Some colleagues of mine in the Minneapolis area did just that--they sank a load of money into a set of DVDs aimed towards builders for improving energy efficiency.  They completely lost their shirts--they could barely give them away.  It might have been problems with the target audience (i.e., builders who would rather see a real person talk), the price point (I remember it being pretty darn high)--but there was no disputing that they had established themselves as experts in the field previously.

I think that my company is trying to do at least part of the &#039;automate&#039; portion--they are &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.buildingscience.com/index_html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;putting together an informational website&lt;/A&gt;--there&#039;s not enough content right now to justify charging, but I believe they are talking about context-based ads.  No idea if that would ever turn a profit, though.

As for &quot;Get rid of stuff that you own that ties you down and keeps you from being mobile.&quot;--yeah, that sounds like a pretty neat idea... I think that is an intrinsic part of &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://bats22.blogspot.com/2007/11/sometimes-its-ok.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my ideal retirement plan&lt;/A&gt;.

As I&#039;ve said, I fall into the Gen X stereotype of not wanting to Achieve Great Things--I just want to make enough to be comfortable and get out.  I was thinking of putting together a blog post about it sometime.  Have you found sources that talk specifically about that topic?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I read a review of this book somewhere (NYT or Atlantic, I guess), and they pointed out the many confluences that enabled the author to do this&#8211;the way his field was set up, etc.  Their point was, &#8220;Well, not sure that the rest of us will ever be in the position to do this, ourselves.&#8221;</p>
<p>But the point I wanted to talk about was, &#8220;He recommends selling things like training CDs or DVDs in an area where you are perceived as an expert (see below for how to achieve that).&#8221;  Some colleagues of mine in the Minneapolis area did just that&#8211;they sank a load of money into a set of DVDs aimed towards builders for improving energy efficiency.  They completely lost their shirts&#8211;they could barely give them away.  It might have been problems with the target audience (i.e., builders who would rather see a real person talk), the price point (I remember it being pretty darn high)&#8211;but there was no disputing that they had established themselves as experts in the field previously.</p>
<p>I think that my company is trying to do at least part of the &#8216;automate&#8217; portion&#8211;they are <a HREF="http://www.buildingscience.com/index_html" rel="nofollow">putting together an informational website</a>&#8211;there&#8217;s not enough content right now to justify charging, but I believe they are talking about context-based ads.  No idea if that would ever turn a profit, though.</p>
<p>As for &#8220;Get rid of stuff that you own that ties you down and keeps you from being mobile.&#8221;&#8211;yeah, that sounds like a pretty neat idea&#8230; I think that is an intrinsic part of <a HREF="http://bats22.blogspot.com/2007/11/sometimes-its-ok.html" rel="nofollow">my ideal retirement plan</a>.</p>
<p>As I&#8217;ve said, I fall into the Gen X stereotype of not wanting to Achieve Great Things&#8211;I just want to make enough to be comfortable and get out.  I was thinking of putting together a blog post about it sometime.  Have you found sources that talk specifically about that topic?</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 12:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be fair, Ferriss does address that issue in passing and say that once you have cashed out, you then have the free time to actually work towards contributing towards society.  If you could make enough money in four hours a week to pay your rent and expenses, then the rest of the week could be spent towards doing good works.  Of course, I wonder whether the type of person that would pull these exploits would actually then re-focus on doing something worthwhile, or whether they&#039;d coast as a playboy as Ferriss has done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be fair, Ferriss does address that issue in passing and say that once you have cashed out, you then have the free time to actually work towards contributing towards society.  If you could make enough money in four hours a week to pay your rent and expenses, then the rest of the week could be spent towards doing good works.  Of course, I wonder whether the type of person that would pull these exploits would actually then re-focus on doing something worthwhile, or whether they&#8217;d coast as a playboy as Ferriss has done.</p>
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		<title>By: seppo</title>
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		<dc:creator>seppo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 09:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hrm. How odd. I mean, not having read the book, I can&#039;t make a complete assessment, but basically it sounds like, as you said, Ferriss is exploiting the system and cashing out without really adding any value to the process.

In some sense, he&#039;s basically just a middleman who takes a cut. While I suppose that&#039;s fine if all you&#039;re trying to do is make enough to live and not work, I guess I want my life to actually have brought some value to the world. Yeah, making videogames isn&#039;t curing cancer, but I still feel like I&#039;m contributing something.

The way you&#039;ve framed it, it sounds like the intention is basically to exploit the general public&#039;s ignorance in a field to achieve a completely superficial &quot;mastery&quot; of it, in order to turn the perception of knowledge into cash. I do know someone like that - David Freeman, of the Freeman Group - he manages to turn supposed knowledge of game writing into a lucrative career, but the guy is the most ingenuous jackass I&#039;ve ever met, and every time I even think of the guy, I wish he would be catapulted into the sun.

I don&#039;t want to live my life that way, I suppose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hrm. How odd. I mean, not having read the book, I can&#8217;t make a complete assessment, but basically it sounds like, as you said, Ferriss is exploiting the system and cashing out without really adding any value to the process.</p>
<p>In some sense, he&#8217;s basically just a middleman who takes a cut. While I suppose that&#8217;s fine if all you&#8217;re trying to do is make enough to live and not work, I guess I want my life to actually have brought some value to the world. Yeah, making videogames isn&#8217;t curing cancer, but I still feel like I&#8217;m contributing something.</p>
<p>The way you&#8217;ve framed it, it sounds like the intention is basically to exploit the general public&#8217;s ignorance in a field to achieve a completely superficial &#8220;mastery&#8221; of it, in order to turn the perception of knowledge into cash. I do know someone like that &#8211; David Freeman, of the Freeman Group &#8211; he manages to turn supposed knowledge of game writing into a lucrative career, but the guy is the most ingenuous jackass I&#8217;ve ever met, and every time I even think of the guy, I wish he would be catapulted into the sun.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to live my life that way, I suppose.</p>
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