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	<title>Comments on: I hate meetings.</title>
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	<description>Eric Nehrlich, Unrepentant Generalist</description>
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		<title>By: richard</title>
		<link>http://www.nehrlich.com/blog/2003/11/15/i-hate-meetings/comment-page-1/#comment-320254</link>
		<dc:creator>richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 09:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cf. Howard Gardners visual, auditory, kinesthetic learning styles model. 

However, I agree with Tom. The purpose of a well structured meeting is to reach and formally document agreements (about states of affairs, about roles, about resources, about schedules of work). How we navigate those, and reach consensus, is another matter. 

The worst meetings are the unstructured meandering chats in which the big egos and management wannabes hold court with absolute drivel, and nothing is documented or (it seems) decided.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cf. Howard Gardners visual, auditory, kinesthetic learning styles model. </p>
<p>However, I agree with Tom. The purpose of a well structured meeting is to reach and formally document agreements (about states of affairs, about roles, about resources, about schedules of work). How we navigate those, and reach consensus, is another matter. </p>
<p>The worst meetings are the unstructured meandering chats in which the big egos and management wannabes hold court with absolute drivel, and nothing is documented or (it seems) decided.</p>
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		<title>By: chuck</title>
		<link>http://www.nehrlich.com/blog/2003/11/15/i-hate-meetings/comment-page-1/#comment-178338</link>
		<dc:creator>chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 01:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ha. i was just thinking how much i hated meetings today, and here you get a comment on that very subject, pulling me back to your 2003 (gasp!) posting. 

today&#039;s kicker was that it was a meeting trying to assign the same action item to the same person with the same people in attendance. Granted there were a few reasons why there have been multiple meetings in the first place, but the most annoying thing was that the guy who we were trying to get to take on the action item was totally unclear on the concept after two other meetings. 

i hate meetings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ha. i was just thinking how much i hated meetings today, and here you get a comment on that very subject, pulling me back to your 2003 (gasp!) posting. </p>
<p>today&#8217;s kicker was that it was a meeting trying to assign the same action item to the same person with the same people in attendance. Granted there were a few reasons why there have been multiple meetings in the first place, but the most annoying thing was that the guy who we were trying to get to take on the action item was totally unclear on the concept after two other meetings. </p>
<p>i hate meetings.</p>
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		<title>By: tom saffell</title>
		<link>http://www.nehrlich.com/blog/2003/11/15/i-hate-meetings/comment-page-1/#comment-178171</link>
		<dc:creator>tom saffell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 04:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i feel your pain. 

it sounds to me like maybe your meetings have a suboptimal objective. 

i feel that the primary purpose of a meeting should not be to transfer information, at least not in the sense that you describe it, i.e. &#039;speaker presents to audience&#039;. the objectives of most business meetings (in my mind) should be:

1. to pass resolutions (i.e. to agree on things that need to be defined to allow progress)

2. to assign actions (i.e. to agree on who will do what)

in order to do that, information has to be transferred, for sure, but it should be in the form of questions and discussion, not presentation. 

a prerequisite of this is that each attendee has the necessary information going into the meeting. the information therefore should be distributed well in advance, and read by all (and then each reader can progress through it in whatever style they prefer). this is, of course, Utopian. but therein lies the real problem. meetings get forced into being &#039;information presentation&#039; because it&#039;s the only time one has a (semi)attentive audience. shame really, otherwise meetings would be much nicer..

tom saffell</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i feel your pain. </p>
<p>it sounds to me like maybe your meetings have a suboptimal objective. </p>
<p>i feel that the primary purpose of a meeting should not be to transfer information, at least not in the sense that you describe it, i.e. &#8216;speaker presents to audience&#8217;. the objectives of most business meetings (in my mind) should be:</p>
<p>1. to pass resolutions (i.e. to agree on things that need to be defined to allow progress)</p>
<p>2. to assign actions (i.e. to agree on who will do what)</p>
<p>in order to do that, information has to be transferred, for sure, but it should be in the form of questions and discussion, not presentation. </p>
<p>a prerequisite of this is that each attendee has the necessary information going into the meeting. the information therefore should be distributed well in advance, and read by all (and then each reader can progress through it in whatever style they prefer). this is, of course, Utopian. but therein lies the real problem. meetings get forced into being &#8216;information presentation&#8217; because it&#8217;s the only time one has a (semi)attentive audience. shame really, otherwise meetings would be much nicer..</p>
<p>tom saffell</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Nehrlich, Unrepentant Generalist &#124;&#124; Social technologies &#124;&#124; June &#124;&#124; 2008</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Nehrlich, Unrepentant Generalist &#124;&#124; Social technologies &#124;&#124; June &#124;&#124; 2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a meeting is possibly the least efficient way to transfer information among people (then again, I hate meetings). Note that doesn&#8217;t mean that meetings in general are useless - meetings which are used for [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Eric Nehrlich, Unrepentant Generalist &#124;&#124; Magic Words &#124;&#124; February &#124;&#124; 2007</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Nehrlich, Unrepentant Generalist &#124;&#124; Magic Words &#124;&#124; February &#124;&#124; 2007</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 12:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] It also reminds me a post I wrote years ago on why I hate meetings, where I discuss similar issues involving the preferred methods of information transfer for different people. One of the concepts I mention in that post is a meme I picked up from a sci-fi novel called Beggars in Spain where the most powerful technology developed was a method for translating one person&#8217;s thoughts into the framework of another&#8217;s. Take the word-nets and associations that I have and transform them into the word-nets that make sense to you. Obviously that wouldn&#8217;t be necessary if &#8220;words had absolute and constant referents&#8221;. But they don&#8217;t, and occasionally it surprises me that we still have so much trouble really internalizing that idea, when a judge made that point so eloquently in the 1960s. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] It also reminds me a post I wrote years ago on why I hate meetings, where I discuss similar issues involving the preferred methods of information transfer for different people. One of the concepts I mention in that post is a meme I picked up from a sci-fi novel called Beggars in Spain where the most powerful technology developed was a method for translating one person&#8217;s thoughts into the framework of another&#8217;s. Take the word-nets and associations that I have and transform them into the word-nets that make sense to you. Obviously that wouldn&#8217;t be necessary if &#8220;words had absolute and constant referents&#8221;. But they don&#8217;t, and occasionally it surprises me that we still have so much trouble really internalizing that idea, when a judge made that point so eloquently in the 1960s. [...]</p>
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